we know the international drug cartels coming across the border. drugs in, we know guns are manufactured, guns in, we know where the jobs are going. so this is a deadly proposition here. a cocktail, as it were. that's why i hope at some point in time, the president's presence should have, would serve to illuminate a bigger national -- because i tell you, dr. dyson, it's not just about gun laws, having a gun for your house or a gun for hunting. these are about semiautomatic weapons that could destroy planes. they have the capacity to bring down planes. i went to aurora, colorado, after the killing there, the massacre there. and these guns not only can shoot people in theaters and schools, they can bring down planes. this is a homeland security issue, not just a local police issue. >> all right. >> and i would submit to you that poverty, these are big factors in this deal. >> no doubt. eloquent as usual, reverend jesse jackson, thank you so much, my friend. >> thank you, sir.